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Ariane
@ariane
11/16/20 09:11:39AM
50 posts

What Are You Working On?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hi Terry - I wish you further and speedy recovery and much fun with your new dulcimer.

(I have not been playing any instrument for some weeks now since I have kind of overstretched my left hand and hope that it will be possible again soon...I really miss it a lot.)

Take care!

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
11/16/20 09:07:00AM
1,554 posts

What Are You Working On?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

@terry-wilson So good to see you back!  My niece has been in a long period of recovery from COVID and it is difficult.  Take care and enjoy playing music again!  What size/shape/woods dulcimer did you find at the yard sale?  

Terry Wilson
@terry-wilson
11/16/20 08:01:46AM
297 posts

What Are You Working On?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I am working on everything. Getting my hands & fingers used to playing again. From March until Oct didn’t play any instrument at all. Yes, I had a long recovery from COVID.

Two weeks ago I purchased a dulcimer at a yard sale for $50.00. Terrific purchase. With new strings, and a clean up, plays like new.

For now I just find myself fretting up and down the fretboard, making some , to my ears, wonderful sounds. Just making stuff up. The dulcimer is a wonderful instrument to have hold of during times like these.

Hello to all,
Terry
traildad
@traildad
11/16/20 02:48:46AM
89 posts

What Are You Working On?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I started learning my first DAaa tune. Buffalo Gals. I like the way the notes slide into each other in this song. My new dulcimer sounds really nice in DAaa tuning. 

Nathina
@nathina
11/15/20 09:08:13PM
188 posts

If this is true the Piezo goes on the bottom?


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Dusty I watched the video by David Beede. He is a fret board resonator believer which affects the soundboard so is probably in agreement with Doug Berch. His plastic card affects the soundboard not the bottom board otherwise there would be no difference, so it seems to prove that the top / fret board is more the resonator than the bottom.

Nathina
@nathina
11/15/20 08:59:08PM
188 posts

If this is true the Piezo goes on the bottom?


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Thanks. The contention that the discussion is having, is that there is nothing resonating from the fret board or the top. All resonance comes from the bottom, as some believe. However, if that were true, I would think concentration would go into the bottom for better sound tone woods, and not the top, plus film piezo's when installed would be placed attached to the bottom and not the top. Obviously the entire unit vibrates, top bottom sides, but the sound board I would think is what makes the difference. Size of the sound box and type of sound tone wood on the top.Doug Berch designs his units with the fretboard in mind, believing the sound transmits from the fret board primarily. Even if so, it would enter the top before the bottom, so no contention. I did play with the pickup on the gibson and found that no quality came (dull) out of the side, or bottom but I found a spot on the sound board beside the bridge and slightly down from the sound hole that was the best. I also ordered another Ksime to use on the McSpadden, as the Schaller was too powerful for the small sound board. It was picking up everything and then some even from the next room. I know there are a lot of theories and each promotes their dulcimer designs the best. It becomes very confusing. I know woods, I know what to expect and what they can do, but my training seems to be put to the test, with unusual theories and ideas that I know cannot be good dynamically or acoustically.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/15/20 08:46:20PM
1,850 posts

If this is true the Piezo goes on the bottom?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Nathina, if you play the dulcimer in a traditional style, meaning it sits on your lap, the back cannot vibrate much at all.  That is one of the main reasons dulcimers have so much less volume than guitars.  The other reason is that the fingerboard traditionally lays right across the top, so the top can't vibrate much at all.  One reason some people get dulcimers with a false or galaz bottom is to allow the bottom to vibrate more, getting more volume.

But I don't see this as a choice.  Both the top and the bottom vibrate, but both are limited by the structure of the dulcimer.  If you want some proof that the top vibrates, check out this video by David Beede demonstrating his decoupled tailpiece .  Basically the more restrained the top, the brighter the sound, the less restrained the top, the louder and more mellow is the sound. If you want proof that the bottom vibrates, put it on your lap and strum a chord, then while the chord is sounding, lift the dulcimer up.  You will get a burst of volume as the bottom is allowed to vibrate.

I have one dulcimer with a pickup on the bottom and I don't like it very much.  To get a decent sound I need to play with an equalizer to get decent separation.  The internal pickup I like the best is in my McCafferty dulcimer. It's a K & K Sound twin spot piezo, so there are actually two different spots transmitting sound. Unfortunately, I don't know where those spots are, although I have to correspond with him on something else and I'll try to remember to ask.

If I am not mistaken, you have a pickup that attaches to the outside of the dulcimer.  Play around with that, putting it in different places.  I think you'll discover a lot about where the most resonant places on your dulcimer are.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
11/15/20 08:37:50PM
1,339 posts

If this is true the Piezo goes on the bottom?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Both of my dulcimers which have built in pickups have the pickup under the saddle/bridge. They are cut in to a slot in the fret board. I'll see if I can get a good photo of this tomorrow and post it here. Here is the one I put in my Folkcraft dulcimer. https://www.folkcraft.com/products/baggs-dulcimer-pickup-2851700

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
11/15/20 08:26:29PM
1,339 posts

The Positive Thread...


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Thanks, Jan. I will watch it if given that chance. I watched my initial echo cardiogram and the technician was very good at pointing out different parts of the heart and what was going on.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Jan Potts
@jan-potts
11/15/20 08:03:45PM
403 posts

The Positive Thread...


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Ken, I hope all goes well and that you have no trouble with the catheterization.  Mine was painless, and once I understood that I could watch it on the screen if I wanted to, I opened my eyes.  It was very interesting, so I thought you might want the heads up so you could watch yours, too.

Nathina
@nathina
11/15/20 07:44:57PM
188 posts

If this is true the Piezo goes on the bottom?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions


Reading Ron Gibson notes, he believes that the soundboard (top) is the vibrating resonator. Doug Berch believes it is the fret board, which is ok since the fret board will resonate and the top soundboard will pick it. Obviously others believe it is the bottom of the dulcimer that resonates. Yet the supports which I will call stays, are glued to the bottom and I have also read that up to five stays can be used. Those opposed to extra supports say that it dulls the sound. Have I fallen into a can of worms of opposing ideas from different luthiers?

Additionally all the piezos I have seen used are placed either as stick ons on the top, or film under the top and not on the bottom. This is more than confusing.


updated by @nathina: 11/15/20 07:46:38PM
Nathina
@nathina
11/15/20 06:50:02PM
188 posts

If this is true the Piezo goes on the bottom?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

From Benjamin Collie Seymour "actually the back is what vibrates and generates the sound on a dulcimer as the top is separated by the fretboard which runs the length of the body thus making nodes which stop the top from vibrating. That is why the false back on a Galax increases the sound and why scheitholts, epinettes, langeleiks, etc. were set on tables with the table acting as a resonator. Sound generation on a dulcimer is totally different than for most other stringed instruments."

I guess it is different than an HD. Thus even more important is two nicely matched boards or a solid one for the back. So then tops outside of being pretty are insignificant since the back is what resonates. Didn't know that according to Benjamin Collie Seymour. And we should be placing piezos on the bottom then?
Nathina
@nathina
11/15/20 06:19:32PM
188 posts

Dulcimer Dimensions


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In the long run, it doesn't matter if the dulcimer plays well. Also of note is that dulcimer maker "production" does change hands. McSpadden I believe is on its third owner and I wonder how often the old documents are reviewed?


updated by @nathina: 11/15/20 06:21:56PM
Nathina
@nathina
11/15/20 06:09:22PM
188 posts

I bought this bag for the Ron Gibson.


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A Padded Zipper bag, that fits the Gibson nicely. The only thing is the embroidered label sort. Maybe it is a take on my playinglipssealed


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Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/15/20 04:58:14PM
1,850 posts

GigBook & a pedal


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

@marg, you can organize your tab in folders if you wish. You don't need special software for that.  You could create one big folder that has everything and then sub-folders on holiday tunes, or celtic tunes or however you want to organize them. But you can also just use the search function, so if someone calls out "Grasshopper Sitting on a Sweet Potato Vine" you just search for "grassh" and click on that song and you don't have to remember what folder it's in.

Neither of the two people in my dulcimer group who have all their tablature on their tablets and use foot pedals organize their tab in subfolders.  They just have one big folder and either scroll alphabetically or use the search function to find tab for any given song.  And they are always much faster than the folks with their binders of papers.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
11/15/20 02:17:51PM
1,339 posts

Dulcimer Dimensions


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Perhaps when the dulcimers were made in "factory" style someone had the responsibility of measuring the instruments for a brochure and measured incorrectly. No one checked. They just accepted what he submitted. A spec list provides the maker the maker a description to put in advertising. Widths especially can change depending upon the outward pressure on molds. Now that you have a single builder doing all the work there should be a better consistency. Looks like he just gave the specs as previously noted without checking for himself.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

traildad
@traildad
11/15/20 02:05:49PM
89 posts

Dulcimer Dimensions


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Well I got an answer of sorts from the the guy that made the dulcimer. 

He said:
“I need to revisit the spec list for the dulcimers - I got those years ago and some things have changed - thanks for pointing that out.”

I don’t know about making dulcimers and why he would “get” a spec list or how it would change. It is what it is and it will do the job. 

traildad
@traildad
11/15/20 01:55:05PM
89 posts

Bridge and Nut fix question


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The dulcimer I borrowed from my sister is a kit that was assembled by an old boyfriend and the job was imperfect. The groove for the inner melody string was set too far from the outer string. I’ve been looking to have it repaired in return for the favor of the loan and as a birthday present for my sister. I recently had an opportunity to have a luthier fix it and the photo shows the repair. I thought he would replace the nut and bridge, but he used a saw to make some cuts as I watched. Would you accept this as a repair, or do you think as I do that the difference of the shallower cut is not acceptable?


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marg
@marg
11/15/20 09:18:12AM
620 posts

GigBook & a pedal


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Dusty,

Thanks for checking. The thing about a music software is you can put your music into folders so you don't need to go through thousands to find the ones you want. But that is something to consider, I dropbox the tabs to my table anyway - I'll see if I can find another way to open them.

Nathina
@nathina
11/14/20 02:24:01PM
188 posts

Can Anyone Identify the maker of this dulcimer.


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The entire dulcimer is odd. Beautifully done, carvings excellent, yet electrified I am sure after the fact. Otherwise the plug could have been drilled properly and replacing it would have matched the back. Or the access could have been drilled from the side and replaced with a preamp volume control.

Strumelia
@strumelia
11/14/20 01:59:23PM
2,405 posts

How do I get this sidebar off of my screen on FOTMD?


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Funny little story concerning the trash can icon button-

As Admin, I naturally have many more buttons available to me than the average member here. a couple years ago I went to delete a discussion from the Forums and I wasn't paying attention. I clicked the trash can icon and POOF! the entire forum for the whole site was gone. Ten years' worth of discussions, by thousands of members. boggling   I thought I'd about die!
Luckily, there was a site backup that was only an hour old, and I was able to restore things to that point in time.
Immediately after all was well again, I adjusted the site code so that the trash can icon that would delete the entire Forum was not even visible to me anymore. Step awaaaaaay from the trash can! LOLOL  bomb


updated by @strumelia: 11/14/20 02:00:26PM
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/14/20 01:44:03PM
1,850 posts

Can Anyone Identify the maker of this dulcimer.


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I certainly don't know who made that interesting dulcimer. Several luthiers use those sheaves, though, so that might not be a revealing clue.

It is an odd combination of a very traditional, truly diatonic fretboard (with no 6+ fret) and a very modern, solid body electric.  

Nathina
@nathina
11/14/20 01:43:15PM
188 posts

Can Anyone Identify the maker of this dulcimer.


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Checked Clemmer, he had small wheat sheaves, but nothing like this, plus his instruments are much finer. Although this is a beautiful instrument, it is "courser".

Strumelia
@strumelia
11/14/20 01:36:47PM
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The Positive Thread...


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Sending positive karma your way, Ken Longfield! bighug


updated by @strumelia: 11/14/20 01:36:57PM
Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
11/14/20 01:35:06PM
1,554 posts

Can Anyone Identify the maker of this dulcimer.


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I think wheat sheaves have shown up on some Clemmer instruments.  Though I wouldn't guess this to be a Clemmer.  I could be wrong.

Strumelia
@strumelia
11/14/20 01:15:27PM
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Jill, the only icon you might want to hesitate about clicking on is the trash can one. Trash cans will delete something!  Aside from that, it's great to learn by clicking on buttons and icons to find out what they do here on fotmd. Usually you can just hit 'back' or 'cancel' if you get to somewhere you don't want to be after clicking somewhere.  winky  


updated by @strumelia: 11/14/20 01:52:10PM
Nathina
@nathina
11/14/20 01:03:42PM
188 posts

Can Anyone Identify the maker of this dulcimer.


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True. The added magnetic pickup was after the fact. There is a bore hole in the back and there are screws attaching some piezos I think. There is no knobs, no equalizer, no gain controls or volume. It would require a preamp although with the mag pickup probably a direct amp plugin would also work. It is those wheat sheaves that I am trying to place. I saw them before on  on instruments by a good luthier. Can't remember where. The carving is excellent.


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Jill Geary
@jill-geary
11/14/20 01:02:46PM
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Thanks Dusty and Lisa! I haven't figured out all the icons! I got it hidden now!

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
11/14/20 12:59:54PM
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Can Anyone Identify the maker of this dulcimer.


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I don't have a clue who made it.  The lack of a 6.5 fret seems to indicate it has some age on it.  Perhaps the electric part was made after the fact yet it looks to be made by someone with skill and a skilled builder would have known electrification of some type would have been needed on a solid wood body.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/14/20 12:16:23PM
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That's a lot to be going through, @ken-longfield. I hope everything goes swimmingly.

Nathina
@nathina
11/14/20 10:19:03AM
188 posts

Can Anyone Identify the maker of this dulcimer.


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I am considering purchasing it. It is an electric dulcimer, no sound holes solid wood, not hollow, but the electric part was probably made after the fact. 

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
11/14/20 09:13:01AM
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@ken-longfield I pray all can proceed with great success!  

@dusty-turtle Thank goodness for the rain in NoCalifornia! 

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
11/14/20 06:36:19AM
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I finally had a successful transesophageal echocardiogram yesterday. Next step is cathertrization and then on to open heart surgery. Moving along.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/14/20 12:35:56AM
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It rained today in Northern California. First time since the spring.  The trees and grass and shrubs are relaxed and smiling.  So are the firefighters.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/14/20 12:28:57AM
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Jill, you have opened up the live chat. You simply need to minimize it.  The icon with the left pointing arrow and a vertical line will do the job.

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IRENE
@irene
11/14/20 12:13:57AM
168 posts

Can Anyone Identify the maker of this dulcimer.


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Did you try to play it?   Just a beautiful dulcimer.   Were you able to look inside the holes to see if someone wrote their name on it.   What were they asking for it....that is if it was for sale?   cool case how they adjusted it to fit somehow IN the case.  

aloha, irene

Jill Geary
@jill-geary
11/13/20 11:47:52PM
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Hi all, Somehow I got this "no room selected" sidebar on my FOTMD page (all pages) - how can I get this to go away? (It blocks some of my name at the top.) I'll attach a screen shot. Thanks!!


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Nathina
@nathina
11/13/20 05:53:24PM
188 posts

Can Anyone Identify the maker of this dulcimer.


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I know I have seen those wheat Sheave Design before but can't recall where. This Dulcimer had a magnetic pickup added to it, drilled a small core through the back which was wooden plugged. It is bigger than the case. Any ideas who made it?


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